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1.6L verus 1.2L Comparison

Post by Night Fury on Tue 3 Jan 2017 - 11:05

Before Christmas my Wind 1.6L GT Line was written off in a little accident - no injuries incurred I am glad to say. Now I am looking around for a replacement, I note that the 1.6L is relatively rare, so I am considering getting the 1.2L TCE as a replacement.

Has anyone driven both engine versions, and if so, how do they compare? I have read online that the performance of the engines is not very noticeable because the 1.2L turbocharger compensates for the smaller engine size, but I am not sure this is true.

How does car noise differ between the two? The Wind has a noisy interior in my experience, and the 1.6L gets nosier as the car goes above 56 mph (90 km per hour). Is one quieter than the other?
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Re: 1.6L verus 1.2L Comparison

Post by Bullyboy on Tue 3 Jan 2017 - 14:50

Everything I read before I bought led me to the 1.2 is the best all rounder and cheaper to replace the cam belt on. My car is a second car which I use sometimes/weekends so for me this was important. Although all the reviews felt the 1.6 was not a lot quicker. Never really seen any comments on noise. Hopefully this helps
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Re: 1.6L verus 1.2L Comparison

Post by knebby on Wed 4 Jan 2017 - 10:54

Hi all, sorry I've not been around for a while; computer and life problems.

I've got a 1.2 and a 1.6 and they are surprisingly different beasts.

You've had the 1.6 so you'll know about the performance. It depends on the area you drive whether the difference would be noticeable in the real world. In normal traffic i'd say not, on open roads i'd say yes - the higher torque is definitely noticeable but this is mostly available above 4,500 rpm, so you need to be pushing it and there's a hit on fuel consumption as a result. Up to 4,500 the 1.2 is easily a match for it.

In terms of all round driveability I find the 1.2 is easier, it runs like a little turbocharged sewing machine and does exactly what you want in a very business-like but unfussy way, the turbo charger giving a nice whine on a throttle push. I find the 1.6 to need more attention to drive it, and the throttle you are using lets you know from the exhaust note.

The 1.6 is a slightly heavier car and it is noticeable, I find the 1.2 much more of a nimble 'point and squirt' car than the 1.6 which can sometimes feel a bit heavy and lumbering.

What you will NOT notice in the 1.2 is the exhaust note which is almost totally silent when you're in the car. It's up to you whether that's a good thing or not.

Overall fuel consumption for the two cars in the manner and area I drive is around 40mpg for the 1.2 and around 36mpg for the 1.6.

If it were my choice it would be a 1.2 for the driveability of the car and the smoothness of the turbo, but I would miss the high end torque and at least some exhaust burble when pushing on.

Best option for me then would be a 1.2 with a slightly different exhaust and a slightly remapped engine.

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Post by Dr@gon on Wed 4 Jan 2017 - 11:00

um i can notice my exhaust note lol u can certainly hear me coming down the road bounce
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Re: 1.6L verus 1.2L Comparison

Post by Night Fury on Wed 4 Jan 2017 - 13:40

knebby wrote:
If it were my choice it would be a 1.2 for the driveability of the car and the smoothness of the turbo, but I would miss the high end torque and at least some exhaust burble when pushing on.


Knebby, thanks very much for the terrific comparison  Very Happy

I agree with your review, each car has its advantages, but the 1.2L sounds as if it is more practical for everyday driving.

However, I have been looking around for a GT Line 2011 low mileage replacement, but can't find the 1.2L variant. What I have found is this 1.6L. 



Its not pearl black Crying or Very sad  but it still looks good. I think I will arrange for the AA to make an inspection, and make them an offer.
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Re: 1.6L verus 1.2L Comparison

Post by knebby on Wed 4 Jan 2017 - 19:57

Forgot to say that the 1.6 has higher gearing than the 1.2, so at any given speed the 1.6 is at abut  500 rpm higher. That makes the 1.2 a more relaxing motorway cruiser. The white 1.6 looks good though,....
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Post by Barbs on Sat 7 Jan 2017 - 16:21

Hi Nightfury did you manage to get the AA to look at the car?
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Post by Night Fury on Sat 7 Jan 2017 - 17:16

I changed my mind and purchased a 1.2L Dynamique registered in 2010.

I really wanted a version with GT Line trim, but this vehicle comes with a good service history, low mileage, leather seats, alloy wheels. 

What sold it for me was dealer's assurance that they have replaced the ball joints and the cambelt. This, together with the dealer providing a one year warranty made it a deal I could not miss.

Delivery is due on Tuesday, when I hope to have more pictures....

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Post by knebby on Sat 7 Jan 2017 - 18:06

Nice!
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Post by Bullyboy on Sat 7 Jan 2017 - 18:28

Glad you found one. Let's hope the dealer did what he said as I understand the cam belt is a must at 6 years just to be safe ! Look forward to the pictures
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Post by Barbs on Sat 7 Jan 2017 - 22:43

And you are not far from the meet in Rochester Kent.....
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Post by Night Fury on Fri 13 Jan 2017 - 10:07

Here is a quick picture of the new car. It feels great to be back at the wheel....

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Post by Dr@gon on Fri 13 Jan 2017 - 10:32

looks good in white Very Happy
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Post by Barbs on Fri 13 Jan 2017 - 12:48

@Nightfury that does look good. But you know what I am going to say..... It would look better in blue.

Hope you will bring it to Kent in May to meet its cousins. White was a popular choice in France.
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Post by donjack on Sat 14 Jan 2017 - 17:30

looks stunning in white..............not as stunning as my black one tho'  Very Happy Very Happy
happy driving!
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Post by Barbs on Sat 14 Jan 2017 - 21:40

donjack wrote:looks stunning in white..............not as stunning as my black one tho'  Very Happy Very Happy
happy driving!

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Re: 1.6L verus 1.2L Comparison

Post by pittstop on Fri 20 Jan 2017 - 15:36

I have a 1.6 GT Line.

Having read earlier comment re gearing : I believe the 1.6 actually has lower gearing; less speed per 1000rpm; (2nd to 5th) than the 1.2 with only 1st gear being higher on the 1.6.

It is this lower gearing that assists the rev loving 1.6 to give a "reasonable" 0-60 figure of 8.9 secs (10.2 secs for the 1.2) but means it revs more at any speed than the 1.2 & you have to work it hard for your pleasures!!

At 80mph; my typical Autoroute cruising speed; a 1.2 would be doing 3835rpm whilst my 1.6 does 4322 rpm. Something we do notice re noise & fuel consumption.

Although I quite like the feel of 1.6 when I push it up the rev range it still can't compete with my previous cars 0-60 acceleration figures of: 6.9 secs (2003 MGTF160) & 6.4 secs (2001 V6 Alfa Spider).

That said there is much the Wind; especially in 1.6 GT Line spec; has to offer that they didn't so I don't regret my decision to change.

1.6 or 1.2? Neither would disappoint.

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Post by Night Fury on Fri 20 Jan 2017 - 16:25

I agree that the lower gearing assists the 1.6L to accelerate quickly, making it a "sporty" car, even if it is not a true sports car. 

Getting to 30 or 40 mph is quickly achieved in the 1.6L by simply skipping gear changes by going into 1st, 3rd then 5th gear in quick succession, which gives it powerful acceleration from a standing start. However, the higher revolutions required to achieve this between gear changes means that it uses a lot of fuel, making it a bit of a gas guzzler in urban driving conditions.

I am still getting used to the 1.2L, but straight away I notice that it requires all 5 gear changes to get to 30 mph from a standing start, so if feels much slower, and not so sporty. This makes the 1.2L much more sensible for urban driving and my fuel consumption is at least 33% less than the 1.6L when driving in town.
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Re: 1.6L verus 1.2L Comparison

Post by pittstop on Sat 21 Jan 2017 - 10:18

The raison d'etre for the 1.6's close ratio box is to keep the engine revs up at all times for max performance.

That said I suppose the closeness of the ratios makes for less of a gap between say 1st & third so for getting to 30 or 40 mph then dropping into 5th it could work well. I'll give it a try.
Why not accelerate up to the limit in 1st then just go for 5th? Perhaps not!!!!
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